A Democracy Drive Thread

“Suckers and Losers”: Contempt for the Military

A commander in chief who dodged the draft, privately called fallen soldiers “losers,” told a widow her husband “knew what he signed up for,” and said a civilian medal beats the Medal of Honor.

Trump presents himself as the military’s greatest champion. This thread tracks the record his own former officials and the public reporting describe: a bone-spur deferment arranged as a favor, his chief of staff confirming he called fallen troops “suckers” and “losers,” conflicts with Gold Star families, a political event that ended in a confrontation at Arlington National Cemetery, and the generals who served him calling him dangerous. Entries are in order, with sources.

19 entries Oct 2017 → Nov 2025 Every entry is sourced & links back to the archive.
2017

October 17, 2017

In his own words

Trump Calling the widow of Sgt. La David Johnson, killed in an ambush in Niger, Trump tells her he “knew what he signed up for,” according to Rep. Frederica Wilson, who was in the car

Trump said the congresswoman “totally fabricated” his words. Johnson’s mother said Wilson’s account was accurate, and his widow later said Trump stumbled over her husband’s name.

“He knew what he signed up for … but when it happens, it hurts anyway.”
2018

November 10, 2018

In his own words

Trump Former chief of staff John Kelly confirms that Trump called fallen soldiers “suckers” and “losers” and did not want to be seen with amputee veterans because “it doesn’t look good for me”

Kelly said in October 2023 that Trump “thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’” The remarks dated to Trump’s 2018 trip to France, where he skipped a visit to an American cemetery.

The account came on the record from a retired four-star Marine general who served as Trump’s own chief of staff.

December 26, 2018

On the ground

Trump The daughters of a Queens podiatrist tell The New York Times their father diagnosed Trump with the bone spurs that kept him out of Vietnam as a favor to his landlord, Fred Trump

Trump received five draft deferments. Michael Cohen later testified that Trump told him there was no surgery and no injury.

2023

September 22, 2023

In his own words

Trump Trump posts that Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley’s calls to China after January 6 were “an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!”

Milley said the calls were meant to reassure China that Trump was not planning an attack. He said he would take measures to protect his family after Trump’s post.

“This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!”
A former president suggesting the sitting top military officer deserved execution put a target on him.
Cross-posted · also in: Strongman Talk
2024

August 15, 2024

In his own words

Trump Trump says the civilian Presidential Medal of Freedom is “actually much better” than the Medal of Honor, because Medal of Honor recipients are “either in very bad shape” or “dead”

Veterans groups condemned the comment. The Medal of Honor is the nation’s highest military award for valor.

“It’s actually much better because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, that’s soldiers, they’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead.”
Sources: CNN ↗ · NBC News ↗

August 26, 2024

On the ground

Trump campaign staffers verbally abuse and push a cemetery official who tried to stop them filming in a restricted section of Arlington National Cemetery during a wreath-laying

Federal law bars political campaign activity at the cemetery. The Army said the official was “abruptly pushed aside” and that the incident was “unfortunate.” The campaign later posted video from the visit.

Sources: NPR ↗ · ABC News ↗

October 4, 2024

In his own words

Trump At a Fayetteville rally, Trump promises to restore the name of Fort Bragg, originally named for Confederate Gen. Braxton Bragg, after the Army renamed it Fort Liberty

In 2025 the Army restored the name, citing a different soldier also named Bragg, while Trump restored other bases’ Confederate-linked names.

“We’re going to do everything we can to get it back.”

October 11, 2024

In his own words

Retired Gen. Mark Milley, Trump’s own Joint Chiefs chairman, tells Bob Woodward that Trump is “a fascist to the core” and “the most dangerous person to this country”

Milley said he feared Trump would have him court-martialed in a second term. After taking office, Trump removed his security detail and moved to review his rank.

“He is the most dangerous person ever. … I realize he’s a total fascist. He is now the most dangerous person to this country.”
2025

January 20, 2025

On the ground

Less than three hours after Trump takes office, the portrait of retired Gen. Mark Milley, the former Joint Chiefs chairman who called Trump “a fascist to the core,” is removed from a Pentagon hallway

Incoming Pentagon officials gave no explanation. Biden had preemptively pardoned Milley hours earlier because of Trump’s threats against him.

It was one of the first acts of the new administration, a symbolic purge of a general who had criticized Trump.
Cross-posted · also in: The Revenge Prosecutions

January 28, 2025

On the ground

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth revokes retired Gen. Mark Milley’s security detail and clearance and orders the inspector general to review whether he should be demoted

The Pentagon said “undermining the chain of command is corrosive to our national security.” Biden’s preemptive pardon covered criminal prosecution but not administrative action on Milley’s rank.

Pulling a retired general’s protection and moving to strip his rank because of his conduct toward Trump is political retribution.
Cross-posted · also in: The Revenge Prosecutions

April 4, 2025

On the ground

Trump Trump skips the dignified transfer at Dover of four soldiers killed in a training accident in Lithuania, attending a LIV Golf dinner at his Doral resort instead

Staff Sgts. Jose Duenez Jr., Edvin Franco and Troy Knutson-Collins and Pfc. Dante Taitano died when their vehicle sank in a swamp. Hegseth attended for the administration.

May 1, 2025

On the ground

Trump’s VA stops enrolling veterans in VASP, a foreclosure-rescue program that had put more than 17,000 veterans into affordable mortgages, as about 90,000 VA home loans were seriously past due

The VA said it “is not set up or intended to be a mortgage loan restructuring service.” Lawmakers of both parties introduced bills to restore some form of relief.

Ending the program with no replacement left tens of thousands of veterans facing foreclosure without an affordable way to catch up.

June 10, 2025

On the ground

Trump At Fort Bragg, Trump announces he is restoring the names of seven Army bases originally named for Confederate officers — Fort Pickett, Fort Hood, Fort Gordon, Fort Rucker, Fort Polk, Fort A.P. Hill and Fort Robert E. Lee

Congress had ordered the Confederate names removed. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth got around the law by renaming the bases for different people with the same surnames, such as renaming Fort Lee for Pvt. Fitz Lee, a Spanish-American War Medal of Honor recipient.

Using namesakes as a loophole brings back Confederate names that a bipartisan law removed, honoring officers who took up arms against the United States.
Cross-posted · also in: Project 2025

June 16, 2025

On the ground

The Guardian reports that Trump’s Department of Veterans Affairs ordered hospitals to strip bylaw language that barred doctors from refusing to treat veterans based on political affiliation or marital status

Facilities were also told to remove marital status, political affiliation, disability and union membership from rules barring discrimination in hiring medical staff. Former VA health chief Kenneth Kizer said the change “seems to open the door to discrimination on the basis of anything that is not legally protected.” The VA said other federal rules still protect patients.

Removing these protections lets individual providers refuse care to veterans for reasons the old bylaws expressly forbade.

August 7, 2025

In his own words

Trump Honoring nearly 100 Purple Heart recipients at the White House, Trump — who avoided the Vietnam draft — compares their wounds to his own: “it wasn’t that easy for me either”

He was referring to the bullet that grazed his ear in Butler. The remark drew a muted reaction from the crowd.

““I guess in a certain way, it wasn’t that easy for me either when you think of it. But you went through a lot more than I did.””
Putting himself alongside wounded troops at their own ceremony fits his long habit of centering himself, from calling the war dead “losers” to accepting a veteran’s Purple Heart in 2016 with the quip that getting it this way “was much easier.”

September 30, 2025

On the ground

Citing Trump’s “Restoring Biological Truth” order, the VA stops presuming male breast cancer is service-connected, making coverage harder for male veterans exposed to toxins

The VA cited no new science. Veterans already covered keep benefits, but about 100 newly diagnosed men a year face a harder path. A former VA official said male and female breast tissue respond to toxic exposure alike.

Using an order aimed at transgender people to cut cancer care for male veterans shows the ideology overriding medical evidence and veterans’ needs.

October 13, 2025

On the ground

Trump To pay troops during the shutdown, the Pentagon moves $8 billion of research money and accepts a $130 million gift from an anonymous Trump “friend,” later reported to be billionaire donor Timothy Mellon

The reprogrammed money came from unspent research and development funds. Mellon had given heavily to Trump’s campaigns.

Congress controls spending. Shifting appropriated money and taking private donations to pay the military sidesteps that power and makes troop pay depend on a billionaire’s favor.
Cross-posted · also in: Project 2025

November 14, 2025

On the ground

The U.S. American Battle Monuments Commission is revealed to have quietly removed panels honoring Black WWII soldiers from the American cemetery in Margraten, the Netherlands, after the Heritage Foundation said they violated Trump’s anti-DEI orders

The U.S. American Battle Monuments Commission is revealed to have quietly removed panels honoring Black WWII soldiers from the American cemetery in Margraten, the Netherlands. The Heritage Foundation had complained that they violated Trump’s anti-DEI orders. One panel told the story of George H. Pruitt, a Black soldier who drowned trying to save a comrade a month after the war ended.

The panels were installed in September 2024 after families and historians criticized the omission. The local mayor noted that 172 Black liberators are buried at Margraten.
Cross-posted · also in: Project 2025

November 24, 2025

On the ground

The Pentagon announces it is investigating Sen. Mark Kelly, a retired Navy captain, over the “illegal orders” video, citing a law that lets retirees be recalled to active duty for possible court-martial

The Pentagon announces it is investigating Sen. Mark Kelly, a retired Navy captain, over the “illegal orders” video, citing a law that lets retirees be recalled to active duty for possible court-martial. It says his statements may have interfered with the “loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces.” A day later, the FBI’s counterterrorism division contacted all six lawmakers in the video to schedule interviews; Sen. Elissa Slotkin called it a “scare tactic.” On Jan. 5, 2026, Hegseth formally censured Kelly as “a necessary process step” toward proceedings that could demote him from his retired rank of captain and cut his retirement pay. On Feb. 12, 2026, Judge Richard Leon blocked the demotion, ruling that Hegseth had “trampled on Senator Kelly’s First Amendment freedoms and threatened the constitutional liberties of millions of military retirees”; Hegseth appealed.

Kelly, a former fighter pilot and astronaut, was one of six Democratic lawmakers in the video, which Trump had called “seditious behavior, punishable by death.”
Cross-posted · also in: The Revenge Prosecutions